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WILD SPECULATION!!! GM and Tesla

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · Jul 21, 2021

Ok, this is way out there, and extremely unlikely, but this is what happens when GM is so slow to provide us real information on the Hummer EV and my mind has time to wander. Elon Musk has made a few odd announcements recently,

1. The Supercharger network is going to increase to 300 kW capability

2. Elon Musk said today the Supercharger network will be opened to other OEM's this year.

3. GM has partnered with EV Go, who puts a Tesla connector on all new stations, including the ones GM pays for

4. GM seems to be ignoring Electrify America (at least it seems this way from the outside)

Hmmm, here comes the wild speculation, could GM be getting ready to buddy up to Tesla and use the Tesla connector on their future EV's? I give this a 2% chance (maybe lower), but if true I would say... Bravo GM. Having both a CCS vehicle and a Tesla, Tesla's connector is far nicer to use, and their charging network more reliable than any CCS network, and Tesla's plug to charge interface is best in class. If this happened I would consider it a Grand Slam from GM, and therefore I do not think we would be so lucky, but at the same time GM needs to make a charging splash to legitimize their EV push, and I do not see EV GO being able to give them that splash? What do you guys think?

Elon Musk says Tesla Supercharger network will be open to other cars this year

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Tuesday that the company's network of DC fast-charging stations for its electric vehicles, also known as the Tesla Supercharger network, will be open to other types of electric vehicles in 2021.

www.cnbc.com

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MattF

· #2 · Jul 21, 2021

I am glad Tesla is thinking about opening the Supercharger network to others, but am a little skeptical of the timeline and whether it will even happen. Elon Musk has been notoriously over optimistic on his timeline for practically everything he has touched so opening them anytime soon may not happen. There are software issues on both Tesla and GM sides they have to work out. Adapters would need to be worked on - at least for the short term until a standard is chosen for the connections. And Tesla has not only been late, but cancelled a few things (admittedly not too many things).

I just want to have one connector standard in the US so we don’t have Balkanization of EVs into different sides. I guess we will see. 😜

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 21, 2021 (Edited)

MattF said:
I am glad Tesla is thinking about opening the Supercharger network to others, but am a little skeptical of the timeline and whether it will even happen. Elon Musk has been notoriously over optimistic on his timeline for practically everything he has touched so opening them anytime soon may not happen. There are software issues on both Tesla and GM sides they have to work out. Adapters would need to be worked on - at least for the short term until a standard is chosen for the connections. And Tesla has not only been late, but cancelled a few things (admittedly not too many things).

I just want to have one connector standard in the US so we don’t have Balkanization of EVs into different sides. I guess we will see. 😜

If you read what Elon said, he did not say opening the supercharger network to everyone.. I do not think Tesla is going to change it over to CCS in the USA... I think some makers are going to invest in the Supercharger Network $$$ up front, and then use Tesla connector and in car module to communicate, so a different OEM, would plug in and be just like a Tesla ...

Like I said, its a longshot for GM to do this, but if they did, it would really show they are serious about a best in class user experience for their EV owners, and would instantly legitimize all their offerings. They could get close by investing ito EA, but EA's network was a strong second, is not as reliable as Tesla's. Tesla's network is on a software background, EA is a hardware background with credit card sliders etc...

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azbill

· #4 · Jul 21, 2021

Have you seen the EVGO Tesla adapter approach? They simply have an extension cable from the Chademo connector to the Tesla connector, which provides 50KW. So it saves the Tesla driver the cost of the adapter, but does not provide high power charging.

Tesla has CCS connectors already on some of their European chargers, as dictated by the EU. That is where this will start, not in the US any time soon.

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 22, 2021

azbill said:
Have you seen the EVGO Tesla adapter approach? They simply have an extension cable from the Chademo connector to the Tesla connector, which provides 50KW. So it saves the Tesla driver the cost of the adapter, but does not provide high power charging.

Tesla has CCS connectors already on some of their European chargers, as dictated by the EU. That is where this will start, not in the US any time soon.

I have not see one, never been to an EV Go station in 9 years of EV ownership.

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azbill

· #6 · Jul 22, 2021

Tom E-Tron said:
I have not see one, never been to an EV Go station in 9 years of EV ownership.

There is a picture and video here:

Tesla Model 3, S, X & Y Charging with EVgo Fast Charging

Fast charge your Tesla Model 3, S, X & Y at 800+ EVgo fast charging stations. Use your Tesla CHAdeMO adapter as we deploy Tesla connectors across our network.

www.evgo.com

They added a little box on the side of existing chargers with the adapter. The photo shows the blue Chademo connector plugged into the side of the unit. Then the extension cable for the Tesla has the Tesla connector hanging on the front where the Chademo connector used to hang.

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jul 22, 2021

azbill said:
There is a picture and video here:

Tesla Model 3, S, X & Y Charging with EVgo Fast Charging

Fast charge your Tesla Model 3, S, X & Y at 800+ EVgo fast charging stations. Use your Tesla CHAdeMO adapter as we deploy Tesla connectors across our network.

www.evgo.com

They added a little box on the side of existing chargers with the adapter. The photo shows the blue Chademo connector plugged into the side of the unit. Then the extension cable for the Tesla has the Tesla connector hanging on the front where the Chademo connector used to hang.

Thanks for that... Looks like its not a great experience for Tesla owners.

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