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Thoughts about the overall weight and no spare

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Bboozer1

Discussion Starter · Jun 25, 2021

So as I was driving and dreaming about the new Hummer EV.... I had a couple of thoughts about the high overall weight that had everyone up in arms... And the lack of a spare tire... And then it hit me... If this truck is going to come in at over 9000 lbs.... What kind of jack would you have to have (and it would have to be a high lift one) to jack this thing up to even change the tire... Also I was thinking about tire rotations.. I drive a full sized truck for work every day and I keep it heavily loaded with assorted construction material and hardware that I may need. I tried to get my tires rotated on a weekend at a chain store (Goodyear I believe) and they said that they couldn't put my truck on the lift because they were afraid that it was too heavy and would damage their equipment/lift.... So that could be another issue in the future.

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Inline

· #2 · Jun 25, 2021

The SUV comes standard with a spare. It should answer all of your questions.

Bboozer1

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 25, 2021

Inline said:
The SUV comes standard with a spare. It should answer all of your questions.

That is true... I forgot about that...

Shaved Ice

· #4 · Jun 25, 2021

I haven’t verified this, but a friend, who runs a insurance agency branch, told me today that it is illegal to sell a new car without a spare, unless it has run flat tires. He mentioned a Nissan that has run flats to get around the law. The original H1 had run flats. Bound by law, or not, I REALLY hope the SUT has run flats though nothing has been mentioned.

azbill

· #5 · Jun 25, 2021

Shaved Ice said:
I haven’t verified this, but a friend, who runs a insurance agency branch, told me today that it is illegal to sell a new car without a spare, unless it has run flat tires. He mentioned a Nissan that has run flats to get around the law. The original H1 had run flats. Bound by law, or not, I REALLY hope the SUT has run flats though nothing has been mentioned.

Not true, as long as you have a compressor kit and tire sealant. I currently have three vehicles with no spare, no jack and no tire iron:

2008 Saturn Sky
2017 Chevy Bolt
2021 Mustang Mach E, just got it on June 14
Also used to own a 2013 Chevy Volt with no spare.

I carry old fashioned tire plugs just in case, but on more than one occasion, I had to get towed. I do have roadside service for all my vehicles that includes towing. OnStar covers that on all my GMs.

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azbill

· #6 · Jun 25, 2021

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Tom E-Tron

· #7 · Jun 25, 2021

Bboozer1 said:
So as I was driving and dreaming about the new Hummer EV.... I had a couple of thoughts about the high overall weight that had everyone up in arms... And the lack of a spare tire... And then it hit me... If this truck is going to come in at over 9000 lbs.... What kind of jack would you have to have (and it would have to be a high lift one) to jack this thing up to even change the tire... Also I was thinking about tire rotations.. I drive a full sized truck for work every day and I keep it heavily loaded with assorted construction material and hardware that I may need. I tried to get my tires rotated on a weekend at a chain store (Goodyear I believe) and they said that they couldn't put my truck on the lift because they were afraid that it was too heavy and would damage their equipment/lift.... So that could be another issue in the future.

Yeah, the 9000 lbs was off putting to me for sure, and completely caught me off guard as I had been expecting the Hummer weight to start with a 7, and not an 8, but after I really thought about it, and looked at battery weight for other EV's and all of the crazy equipment it started to be more bearable. Where I was off, is I was thinking the battery would weigh 2000lbs, but I was off by 50%, I also did not account for things like the insane half shafts that are twice the weight of other vehicles in class, the amount of underbody reinforcement and cladding, 4 wheel steering which adds substantial weight, massive brakes, etc... As for the spare tire, that is something we seriously need to think about, especially if we plan to go off roading. I have not changed a tire on the side of the road since I was a teenager though, and so that will not change with the Hummer, if I get a flat, I will call for help, maybe the tire store has to bring their commercial jacks, haha!

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Tom E-Tron

· #8 · Jun 25, 2021

azbill said:
Not true, as long as you have a compressor kit and tire sealant. I currently have three vehicles with no spare, no jack and no tire iron:

2008 Saturn Sky
2017 Chevy Bolt
2021 Mustang Mach E, just got it on June 14
Also used to own a 2013 Chevy Volt with no spare.

I carry old fashioned tire plugs just in case, but on more than one occasion, I had to get towed. I do have roadside service for all my vehicles that includes towing. OnStar covers that on all my GMs.

Wow, you got your Mach E already? how are you liking it?

Lime Green

· #9 · Jun 25, 2021

You don’t even need a compressor or sealant or anything related to tire changing or repair to be legal…. Many new cars like Teslas, several BMWs, Mercedes and more no longer include spares or any other kit or onboard solution to address a flat. The only legal requirement in the USA, and in Canada as well, is that they offer a reasonable solution to the problem. What is the solution? Road-side service.

Hummer EV SUV offers a spare that can mount on the rear door. We don’t know if it’s truly included as standard equipment on any or all trims.

Hummer EV SUT does not include a spare. This was one of the top questions being asked of the GMC reps showing the truck at Barrett-Jackson. They said they will have accessories, but the trucks do not include a spare as standard equipment, nor do they have an integrated means of carrying one. One of the accessories they will offer is an in-bed rack for carrying two spares.

The no spare on the truck is a bit of an issue for me. I don’t think it will keep me from buying, but it’s definitely strike-one If we’re counting.

Then there’s the weight. This thing is a beast. I don’t mind the weight as long as everything is built to accommodate it properly. I do question how serious one could truly be about the Hummer EV as an off-road vehicle. 9000lbs of truck stuck in 30” of mud or turned the wrong way on a hillside is going to be a recovery nightmare. Your off-road buddies in their Jeeps and 4-Runners won’t have big enough nuts or winches to help on their own. Better have a few of them go with you on adventures or have them all get Hummers too. Equipped with adequate winches and other gear. Hummer EV3X SUT when empty weighs the same as a Ford F-350 diesel SuperCrew w/ 8ft bed and DRW with a full-size ATV in the back. This is also why they’re listing it as only having a 1450lb payload capacity. That keeps it under 10,500lb GVW, or the limit where it needs special DOT certification. But the truck is obviously fully capable of carrying much more than that.

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azbill

· #10 · Jun 25, 2021

Tom E-Tron said:
Wow, you got your Mach E already? how are you liking it?

I had a reservation and they indicated 4 months. But I kept searching the inventory in Phoenix and found 2 California Route 1 models at dealers on a Monday. Was able to snag one of those. It is Infinite Blue Metallic, which is no longer offered on that model. So far it is great, but I will say that my Bolt has a better driver display than the Mach E, more useful range and KW usage data. But the Mach E has a better center display and features there.

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Tom E-Tron

· #11 · Jun 25, 2021

azbill said:
I had a reservation and they indicated 4 months. But I kept searching the inventory in Phoenix and found 2 California Route 1 models at dealers on a Monday. Was able to snag one of those. It is Infinite Blue Metallic, which is no longer offered on that model. So far it is great, but I will say that my Bolt has a better driver display than the Mach E, more useful range and KW usage data. But the Mach E has a better center display and features there.

Nice looker... I am not familiar with the Mach E classifications, is it AWD? Less range than the Bolt? Did you get the smaller size battery?

azbill

· #12 · Jun 25, 2021

Tom E-Tron said:
Nice looker... I am not familiar with the Mach E classifications, is it AWD? Less range than the Bolt? Did you get the smaller size battery?

I got the California Route 1, which is the highest range model @ 305 miles (281 highway). It is RWD, I do not need AWD in Phoenix and wanted maximum range. The AWD with extended range battery is 270 miles, barely beats the newer Bolt (259 miles). My 2017 Bolt is 238 miles.

I have enabled the Plug & Charge, but have not yet tested it. Hope to do that soon.

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Tom E-Tron

· #13 · Jun 25, 2021

azbill said:
I got the California Route 1, which is the highest range model @ 305 miles (281 highway). It is RWD, I do not need AWD in Phoenix and wanted maximum range. The AWD with extended range battery is 270 miles, barely beats the newer Bolt (259 miles). My 2017 Bolt is 238 miles.

I have enabled the Plug & Charge, but have not yet tested it. Hope to do that soon.

Nice, Ya, no need for AWD in Phoenix. How is the comfort? Handling? I am really curious to hear about the plug and charge, I know Ford is still working through some charging bugs, but hopefully gettin smoother as they go...

Inline

· #14 · Jun 25, 2021

This info is straight from GMC and these specs are from the chepest Hummer SUV. Read down the list and you will see the spare is standard. Enough already!

Estimated MSRP: $79,995†

Available: SPRING 2024

2 MOTORS

ESTIMATED UP TO 250+ MILE RANGE†

UP TO 625 HP / UP TO 7,400 LB-FT OF TORQUE†

STANDARD FEATURES

Super Cruise™ Hands-Free Driver-Assistance feature for Compatible Roads†
(3 year Super Cruise subscription included)
High Definition Surround Vision†
Digital Key
22" Wheels with 35" OD All-Terrain Tires
Infinity Roof
Power Rear Drop Glass
Power Swing Gate with Full Spare Tire and Wheel
Adrenaline Mode
400-Volt DC Fast Charge Capable†
Premium All-Weather Floor Liners with Carpet Inserts

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BigJonEV

· #15 · Jun 25, 2021

@Inline Thank you for that, but we all know the SUV will have a spare. It's attached to the back end, hard to miss. The question is about the truck and if they will have a spare. This info hasn't been specifically released yet. Doesn't appear to have space under the back end like all of our current trucks.

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Tom E-Tron

· #16 · Jun 25, 2021

BigJonEV said:
@Inline Thank you for that, but we all know the SUV will have a spare. It's attached to the back end, hard to miss. The question is about the truck and if they will have a spare. This info hasn't been specifically released yet. Doesn't appear to have space under the back end like all of our current trucks.

The SUT clearly has no space for a spare, I was thinking they could squeeze it under the bed floor and over the rear drive unit, but there is not room. In order to do a spare, the bed would have to be longer. I added a red line for the floors. Maybe in the front? Under the frunk? not for a 35" tire...

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azbill

· #17 · Jun 26, 2021

Do we know the frunk dimensions? Obviously for road trips it is possible to place a spare in the truck bed.

azbill

· #18 · Jun 28, 2021

Tom E-Tron said:
Nice, Ya, no need for AWD in Phoenix. How is the comfort? Handling? I am really curious to hear about the plug and charge, I know Ford is still working through some charging bugs, but hopefully gettin smoother as they go...

Went to an Electrify America station today, not needing a charge but wanted to test plug & charge. It actually worked on the first try. GM needs to get this working for their vehicles.

There is work going on at that EA site, I think they are installing batteries for load leveling. But all the dispensers were working fine. Unfortunately the temperature today was 110 and the Mach E was just under 80%, so I could not get a good charge rate. My wife and I are thinking about heading to the Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then I can run it down and charge it in Flagstaff with more reasonable temperatures.

The Mach E is very comfortable and pretty quiet. As far as handling, I like it because I hate FWD cars, especially the EVs with a lot of torque in the turns.

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Tom E-Tron

· #19 · Jun 28, 2021

azbill said:
Went to an Electrify America station today, not needing a charge but wanted to test plug & charge. It actually worked on the first try. GM needs to get this working for their vehicles.

There is work going on at that EA site, I think they are installing batteries for load leveling. But all the dispensers were working fine. Unfortunately the temperature today was 110 and the Mach E was just under 80%, so I could not get a good charge rate. My wife and I are thinking about heading to the Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then I can run it down and charge it in Flagstaff with more reasonable temperatures.

The Mach E is very comfortable and pretty quiet. As far as handling, I like it because I hate FWD cars, especially the EVs with a lot of torque in the turns.

HAHA! Awesome on the Plug and Charge... Yup, you sir are preaching to the choir, I have been calling for GM to buddy up to EA and have Plug and Charge for a while, not sure anyone listens to me though, not even my wife...

Ya, I have heard great things on the Mach E handling, even one of my buddies that is into Tesla's complemented Ford. It is a cool car, and I think Ford is still working on the charge rates, and curve.

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Inline

· #20 · Jun 29, 2021

azbill said:
Went to an Electrify America station today, not needing a charge but wanted to test plug & charge. It actually worked on the first try. GM needs to get this working for their vehicles.

There is work going on at that EA site, I think they are installing batteries for load leveling. But all the dispensers were working fine. Unfortunately the temperature today was 110 and the Mach E was just under 80%, so I could not get a good charge rate. My wife and I are thinking about heading to the Grand Canyon for a couple of days, then I can run it down and charge it in Flagstaff with more reasonable temperatures.

The Mach E is very comfortable and pretty quiet. As far as handling, I like it because I hate FWD cars, especially the EVs with a lot of torque in the turns.

Was at the Flagstaff charger Sat AM and charged from 36% to 85% in 56 minutes. Coming back in the PM 38% to 80% 42 minutes. Max charging speed showed 64.5 KWh but rather hard to believe when the Chevy Bolt is supposed to max at 55 KWh. AM was 53 and PM was about 79

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