Tesla plans to open its network of superchargers to other electric vehicles later this year, Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said on Twitter: "We're making our Supercharger network open to other EVs later this year," Musk said on Tuesday, adding that over time Tesla's charging network will be opened to other electric vehicles in all countries."
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Tesla will open its charging network to other EVs later this year
The article is on many US news sources and doesnt specify that he is referring to just overseas. I've looked at several articles and unless I'm missing something there isnt anything to indicate it applies to any specific country, nor do any of them mention that the US will not have this ability.
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Elon's tweet said all regions will open up in due time
Europe Superchargers have had CCS2 connectors since 2018, they are ready to go. US has no CCS1 connectors on Superchargers.
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My point is it applies to Europe first, US much later because of the connector issue.
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We will have to wait and see, there is still a part of me that hopes GM partners with EA or Tesla to offer customers a better experience. I not only want to use the supercharger network, but also use Tesla's plug, I mean GM is spending $35B on EV's, cut $1B from the marketing budget and give it to Tesla, the influencers alone will get you back the marketing on that kind of news. Instant EV charging legitimacy for GM. Just ask anyone who has owned both Tesla and a CCS car, and they will tell you which it better. Tesla's cord and plug, look better, work easier, take up less space, and likely are cheaper to manufacture. Now, I know it's a long shot, but it's not illegal to dream about our Hummers having the best on highway charging experience available, and this would give GM a competitive advantage to Ford, and Rivian in Charging. Another thing to think about, Tesla stations deploy the fastest, and cost the lowest to build, as the tech is all software based. I am sure Tesla could get you more from your $1B investment than could EA or EVGO.Europe Superchargers have had CCS2 connectors since 2018, they are ready to go. US has no CCS1 connectors on Superchargers.
Tesla flips to CCS in Europe, what does it mean?
Tesla is switching to use the CCS fast DC charging standard in Europe, according to a report by Electrek. The European version of the Model 3 will come with a CCS charging inlet. European Superchar…
My point is it applies to Europe first, US much later because of the connector issue.
One article I read said that Tesla may work on replacing the connectors one market at a time to make them compatible with other vehicles. Ultimately that would be what they have to do anyway to make them compatible. If they can do it in Europe they could more easily do it here, it just won’t be instantaneous it will take time to get them all switched. All I’m saying is no one specified, Musk nor the US news outlets, that it will be years before any US chargers get this ability. Musk and all articles I read simply said they will open it up later this year. Your article is from 2018 so I’m sure a lot of behind the scenes discussions have been had since that time.Europe Superchargers have had CCS2 connectors since 2018, they are ready to go. US has no CCS1 connectors on Superchargers.
Tesla flips to CCS in Europe, what does it mean?
Tesla is switching to use the CCS fast DC charging standard in Europe, according to a report by Electrek. The European version of the Model 3 will come with a CCS charging inlet. European Superchar…
My point is it applies to Europe first, US much later because of the connector issue.
Here is an article about Superchargers in Europe.
www.tesla.com
In Europe, all of the Model 3s have CCS2 connectors for charging, it was forced upon Tesla by the European Union. So all new Supercharger installations since 2018 had two cables/connectors, so any Tesla could charge at them. Just like the CCS/Chademo chargers here for Nissan versus everybody else (i.e. EA, EVGO, ChargePoint).
It is not as simple as replacing cables and connectors at existing chargers, Tesla must continue to support all the cars they have delivered to date.
Supercharger Support
Learn more about Tesla Superchargers, including best practices, charging rates, payment methods and locating a Supercharger when you're on the road.
In Europe, all of the Model 3s have CCS2 connectors for charging, it was forced upon Tesla by the European Union. So all new Supercharger installations since 2018 had two cables/connectors, so any Tesla could charge at them. Just like the CCS/Chademo chargers here for Nissan versus everybody else (i.e. EA, EVGO, ChargePoint).
It is not as simple as replacing cables and connectors at existing chargers, Tesla must continue to support all the cars they have delivered to date.
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We got a better explanation on the earnings call today...Here is an article about Superchargers in Europe.
Supercharger Support
Learn more about Tesla Superchargers, including best practices, charging rates, payment methods and locating a Supercharger when you're on the road.
In Europe, all of the Model 3s have CCS2 connectors for charging, it was forced upon Tesla by the European Union. So all new Supercharger installations since 2018 had two cables/connectors, so any Tesla could charge at them. Just like the CCS/Chademo chargers here for Nissan versus everybody else (i.e. EA, EVGO, ChargePoint).
It is not as simple as replacing cables and connectors at existing chargers, Tesla must continue to support all the cars they have delivered to date.
Elon Musk explains how non-Tesla EV owners are going to be able to use the Supercharger network
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Ya, I was not sure what her meant about that... He said the adapter would be at the supercharger station... Weird...
To be honest I will be glad when Elon is no longer on the earnings calls, he is so hard to listen to when he gets all twisted up and off topic. The younger execs at Tesla are far better at explaining things, and seem more honest.
So, I came up with a few technical issues that will have to be considered for this to work well. First is what voltage do the Superchargers support, will they work on 800-900V systems? Most of the non-Tesla EVs are moving to 800V charging, including Hummer EV. Hummer will apparently use switching, so it could work at 400, but be limited then to 200KW. Porsche uses DC-DC converter and is limited to 50KW for a 400V charger.
Secondly, what will be the power limit? CCS1 connectors in the US are not rated above 100KW when they are not liquid cooled, Europe allows for up to 150KW, see this spec sheet:
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An adapter will not have liquid cooling and could affect the plug in the vehicle as well.
Secondly, what will be the power limit? CCS1 connectors in the US are not rated above 100KW when they are not liquid cooled, Europe allows for up to 150KW, see this spec sheet:
An adapter will not have liquid cooling and could affect the plug in the vehicle as well.
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Good analysis, I had not thought of these issues yet. The highest voltage Tesla is the Model S Plaid at 450v, Not sure if their equipment can output more than that. Something great to look into...
Yes, Porsche sells a voltage step up charger for 400v chargers. Do they only offer 50 kW? I think Lucid's Wunderbox is also capable of stepping up charge voltage.
Porsche comes standard with a 50KW step up, apparently there is an expensive upgrade to get to 150KW. Rivian also is looking at using the switching, but they are starting out at 400V.
Apparently Elon also mentioned that non-Teslas would get charged based on time (not KWH), and we know from the networks and states that charge by time, it is way more expensive in most cases.
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I see.. Oh, Rivian is not doing a full 800V system? For some reason I was under the impression they were, but I do not keep up too much on Rivian.
My feeling on Charging is when you need it, you need it!! Cost is a secondary consideration. I will typically go to the charger closest to the route with the fastest speed.
Here is the text from the Tesla earnings call.... It is so hard to understand Elon when he gets to babbling, I always read the transcript.
Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations
Thank you. Let's go to the second question from retail, which is Elon has said that Tesla will be opening up the Supercharger network to other EVs later this year. Can you share some more details on how this will be structured, will this be a select brands, or will they contribute to the growth of this network?
Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer
Yes. We're currently thinking it's a real simple thing where you just download the Tesla app, and you go to Supercharger. And you just indicate which stall you're in. So you plug in your car, even if it's not Tesla.
And then you just access the app and say, turn on this stall that I'm in for how much electricity. And this should basically work with I think almost any manufacturer's cars. There will be time constraints. If the charge rate is super slow, then somebody will be charged more because the biggest constraint at the Supercharger is time, how occupied is the stall.
And we'll also be smarter with how we charge for electricity at the Supercharger. So rush hour charging will be more expensive than off-hours is charging because there are times when the Superchargers are empty and times when they're jam-packed. And so it makes sense to have some time-based discrimination.
Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations
Yeah. We've been doing that, and it's been working, and people are responding. It helps with utilization.
Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, exactly. In Europe and China and most parts of the world, it's the same connector for everyone, so this is a fairly easy thing to do. We developed our own connector, which in my opinion is actually the best connector, it's small and light and looks good and above standard. So we developed our own connector, which in my opinion actually the best connector.
It's small and light and looks good. So an adapter is needed to work for EVs in North America. But people could buy this adapter. And we anticipate having it available at the Superchargers as well if people don't sort of steal them or something.
Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering
We have a good solution to that.
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Tesla announced that non Tesla EVs can use their superchargers in Belgium, the UK, Spain, Austria, and Sweden.
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Tesla Charging shared some info today for non-Teslas using their network.
So far the following cars have been able to charge at a Supercharger with the Magic Dock:
Bolt
Mach E
Lightning
Rivian
There are various photos and videos posted. The only stations that have the magic docks so far are in CA and NY. Here is the article about a guy trying it with his Bolt.
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Bolt
Mach E
Lightning
Rivian
There are various photos and videos posted. The only stations that have the magic docks so far are in CA and NY. Here is the article about a guy trying it with his Bolt.
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