[azbill]

They already pulled this down from the app, likely a false start.

 

[travwill]

At least it is coming which is great, as they fill some major gaps where we are in TX for road trips. Worthless pretty much though until they release a Tesla to CCS adapter that is at least 250kW+ capable for the new SC2s. Probably faster than adding adapted connectors only at partial stalls in current stations and lets those who need it use it quicker.

Also, curious to how they are going to have you authorize charging start in the app or if plug & play like Tesla's is even possible with them - maybe if the adapter transmits VIN or something, etc. Will be interesting.

 

[HVACman]

If Tesla is planning to open their network "to the public", at least in California, Tesla will have to radically change any new stations or dispensers installed Jan. 1 2023 or later in California and not require a membership or subscription to use them. Accept credit cards, etc. for payment.

Guide to California public EVSE regulations

Technical requirements per Chargepoint:

Chargepoint excerpt:

In December 2019, the California Division of Measurement Standards (DMS) finalized rules for measuring and verifying meter tolerance in electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE), i.e., EV charging stations. I’d like to take the opportunity to explain the code, clarify the timeline for implementation and to highlight ChargePoint’s position.

The Rules
First, a little background. The California DMS rules formalize national guidelines governing electric vehicle fueling systems set forth in the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Handbook 44. Among other things, the soon to be ratified code ensures that drivers charging their vehicles at publicly accessible commercial charging stations will actually receive the amount of kilowatt (kWh) hours they’re paying for. Not too controversial, right? After all, DMS already tests gasoline pumps and deli counter scales for accuracy.

The California DMS rules (which only apply to publicly available EVSE) require that:

1. Charging stations have received a safety certification by a nationally recognized testing lab
2. All publicly used commercial charging stations must include an easy-to-read user display
3. Pricing must be clearly displayed and easily understood
4. Stations must display voltage rating, type of current and max power
5. Stations must display the quantity of electricity delivered
6. Stations must display temperature limits, if narrower than and within – 40 °C to + 85 °C (− 40 °F to 185 °F)
7. Require testing of station meters to a certain accuracy of 1% for level 2 (L2) and 1 – 2.5% for DC fast charge (DCFC)

The following are exempt from the rules:

• Stations owned and operated by public utilities, public entities and municipalities
• Stations unavailable to the public (e.g., EVSE used in residential or workplace charging situations)
• Stations that dispense electricity as motor vehicle fuel at no cost to the consumer
• Stations that deliver wholesale electricity

 

[travwill]

If Tesla is planning to open their network "to the public", at least in California, Tesla will have to radically change any new stations or dispensers installed Jan. 1 2023 or later in California and not require a membership or subscription to use them. Accept credit cards, etc. for payment.

Guide to California public EVSE regulations

Technical requirements per Chargepoint:

Chargepoint excerpt:

In December 2019, the California Division of Measurement Standards (DMS) finalized rules for measuring and verifying meter tolerance in electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE), i.e., EV charging stations. I’d like to take the opportunity to explain the code, clarify the timeline for implementation and to highlight ChargePoint’s position.

The Rules
First, a little background. The California DMS rules formalize national guidelines governing electric vehicle fueling systems set forth in the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Handbook 44. Among other things, the soon to be ratified code ensures that drivers charging their vehicles at publicly accessible commercial charging stations will actually receive the amount of kilowatt (kWh) hours they’re paying for. Not too controversial, right? After all, DMS already tests gasoline pumps and deli counter scales for accuracy.

The California DMS rules (which only apply to publicly available EVSE) require that:

1. Charging stations have received a safety certification by a nationally recognized testing lab
2. All publicly used commercial charging stations must include an easy-to-read user display
3. Pricing must be clearly displayed and easily understood
4. Stations must display voltage rating, type of current and max power
5. Stations must display the quantity of electricity delivered
6. Stations must display temperature limits, if narrower than and within – 40 °C to + 85 °C (− 40 °F to 185 °F)
7. Require testing of station meters to a certain accuracy of 1% for level 2 (L2) and 1 – 2.5% for DC fast charge (DCFC)

The following are exempt from the rules:

• Stations owned and operated by public utilities, public entities and municipalities
• Stations unavailable to the public (e.g., EVSE used in residential or workplace charging situations)
• Stations that dispense electricity as motor vehicle fuel at no cost to the consumer
• Stations that deliver wholesale electricity

A lot of that seems like simple signage. If credit card is required, seems that can be satisfied with the app (adding it to the app wallet for use). Otherwise, if they need physical modification heavily due to CA regulations, the CA will probably be trailing the other states in being able to use them - plenty of Teslas/chargers in CA anyways to not make CA a priority for a change. Man that state makes everything way too difficult.

 

[azbill]

A lot of that seems like simple signage. If credit card is required, seems that can be satisfied with the app (adding it to the app wallet for use). Otherwise, if they need physical modification heavily due to CA regulations, the CA will probably be trailing the other states in being able to use them - plenty of Teslas/chargers in CA anyways to not make CA a priority for a change. Man that state makes everything way too difficult.

Even the federal rules require credit card readers, independent of any phone apps, if they are going to qualify for funding. Also must have CCS connectors, not adapters that are sold to users.