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Just 34 hours away, is anybody beside me getting excited to see what GM came up with?


Hope its Modern enough and efficient enough.

BTW, Everyone here knows I have a Tesla Model Y but over the weekend I bought another car that was assembled in the Fremont Factory, anybody got a guess what I bought?
 

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Just 34 hours away, is anybody beside me getting excited to see what GM came up with?

Hope its Modern enough and efficient enough.

BTW, Everyone here knows I have a Tesla Model Y but over the weekend I bought another car that was assembled in the Fremont Factory, anybody got a guess what I bought?
A Pontiac Vibe ;)

As far as the Silverado EV goes, I am very excited to see what GM cooked up here. I don't think there will be any issue with modernity or efficiency, but I do fear that the styling could be too much for people.

We've all seen the spy shots at this point since this site first captured them and dropped them out on the internet...but for anyone who hasn't, here goes:

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Here's a rendering based on the leaks:

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Now, the design could have changed since last year, but I highly doubt it. It's not offensive or anything, but I certainly wouldn't call it beautiful...I wanted something closer to the Ford replication of the gas F-150 with the Lightning.

I'll most likely end up becoming a big fan, but the exterior design has me wondering...
 

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A Pontiac Vibe ;)

As far as the Silverado EV goes, I am very excited to see what GM cooked up here. I don't think there will be any issue with modernity or efficiency, but I do fear that the styling could be too much for people.

We've all seen the spy shots at this point since this site first captured them and dropped them out on the internet...but for anyone who hasn't, here goes:

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Here's a rendering based on the leaks:

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Now, the design could have changed since last year, but I highly doubt it. It's not offensive or anything, but I certainly wouldn't call it beautiful...I wanted something closer to the Ford replication of the gas F-150 with the Lightning.

I'll most likely end up becoming a big fan, but the exterior design has me wondering...
If thats it, I like it in concept, needs a little cleaning up here and here, but overall great, by this time tomorrow we will find out...
 

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Just 34 hours away, is anybody beside me getting excited to see what GM came up with?


Hope its Modern enough and efficient enough.

BTW, Everyone here knows I have a Tesla Model Y but over the weekend I bought another car that was assembled in the Fremont Factory, anybody got a guess what I bought?
I'm guessing a Plaid. You had mentioned a swap before into your project vehicle. Might as well drive it for awhile then tear it apart.
 

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I'm guessing a Plaid. You had mentioned a swap before into your project vehicle. Might as well drive it for awhile then tear it apart.
Haha... Close, but not quite... I bought a 67 Chevelle SS396 4 speed built in Fremont 4th week of December 1966, which is weird as my Tesla Model Y was built 4th week of December 2020 54 years later...
 

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I had to preorder one because, you never know and it was only a hundred bucks. I read there's a potential 400 mi range model.
 

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As I understand, all the RST models will be 400Mile...
Yes that's what I read a bit after the post I actually like what they've done except that slight, according to GM unintentional, Avalanche like treatment behind the rear door. Other than that really nice. I still greatly prefer the hummer but need to keep the options open depending on production speeds.
 

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Yes that's what I read a bit after the post I actually like what they've done except that slight, according to GM unintentional, Avalanche like treatment behind the rear door. Other than that really nice. I still greatly prefer the hummer but need to keep the options open depending on production speeds.
I see the midgate as a huge bonus, for many things. I don't suspect it being a feature used daily, but when you want to haul something long, or if you want to camp in the bed and use the vehicle HVAC to keep warm of cool it could be nice. The only downside is that you lose the rear drop glass feature. I also like the folding back seats, as if you have big boxes they can go inside the cab.

As for comparisons to the Hummer, its really different, for most the Hummer is a vanity vehicle, making a statement, for me a truck is a tool. I only drive mine when I have to, would much prefer to drive my Tesla Y as a daily driver as its so much more sporty, and easy in town or parking lots. With the Hummer though, you miss out on the power off boarding capability, and even the Hummer SUV, does not have the same capabilities as the SilveradoE. The benefit to the Silverado is obvious, more range , more efficiency, more truck capability, quieter interior, more comfortable, and more modern looking interior, more sporty handling, etc... For me the Hummer is much less attractive, like I have said before, I am not really a "Hummer Guy", I was just interested because it was an EV pickup from GM primarily, but as the truck capabilities were released and fell to the wrong side of my expectations I became less interested.
 

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I see the midgate as a huge bonus, for many things. I don't suspect it being a feature used daily, but when you want to haul something long, or if you want to camp in the bed and use the vehicle HVAC to keep warm of cool it could be nice. The only downside is that you lose the rear drop glass feature. I also like the folding back seats, as if you have big boxes they can go inside the cab.

As for comparisons to the Hummer, its really different, for most the Hummer is a vanity vehicle, making a statement, for me a truck is a tool. I only drive mine when I have to, would much prefer to drive my Tesla Y as a daily driver as its so much more sporty, and easy in town or parking lots. With the Hummer though, you miss out on the power off boarding capability, and even the Hummer SUV, does not have the same capabilities as the SilveradoE. The benefit to the Silverado is obvious, more range , more efficiency, more truck capability, quieter interior, more comfortable, and more modern looking interior, more sporty handling, etc... For me the Hummer is much less attractive, like I have said before, I am not really a "Hummer Guy", I was just interested because it was an EV pickup from GM primarily, but as the truck capabilities were released and fell to the wrong side of my expectations I became less interested.
Are you considering the Silverado because it's a more traditional pickup? I don't have any practical use for any of these but I'm like a kid when it comes to trucks. Some folks want fancy sports cars or a nice luxury sedan, my kryptonite is any kind of cool truck. The hummer to me is just a cool looking truck, practicality isn't a requirement but as mentioned before when I get my electric truck I'm going to drive around the country for while and see the things that I've never experienced.

Can't wait!
 

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Are you considering the Silverado because it's a more traditional pickup? I don't have any practical use for any of these but I'm like a kid when it comes to trucks. Some folks want fancy sports cars or a nice luxury sedan, my kryptonite is any kind of cool truck. The hummer to me is just a cool looking truck, practicality isn't a requirement but as mentioned before when I get my electric truck I'm going to drive around the country for while and see the things that I've never experienced.

Can't wait!
Fair enough... My dad always said "there is a butt for every pair of pants". I think it is the same with vehicles, personally I use a truck as a truck and and if I am not doing "truck" things that day I drive my Tesla. I do not ever do any serious off roading, so the off road capabilities of the Hummer do not matter to me, it just makes it noisier (tires and wind noise) ride worse, and more expensive to buy and operate. As for road tripping, 1 hour stops every 200 miles which is what will happen in the Hummer, where as the Silverado E is quieter, smoother, handles better, and 1 hour stops every 300 miles. So like I said, I will wave when I pass you sitting at the charging station on the highway. Now that said, I am not all down on the Hummer, it's cool, cruising with the top off would be awesome.., but just not for me. Actually, for as little as I use a pickup I would be smarter to buy the WT model and save some money.
 

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Fair enough... My dad always said "there is a butt for every pair of pants". I think it is the same with vehicles, personally I use a truck as a truck and and if I am not doing "truck" things that day I drive my Tesla. I do not ever do any serious off roading, so the off road capabilities of the Hummer do not matter to me, it just makes it noisier (tires and wind noise) ride worse, and more expensive to buy and operate. As for road tripping, 1 hour stops every 200 miles which is what will happen in the Hummer, where as the Silverado E is quieter, smoother, handles better, and 1 hour stops every 300 miles. So like I said, I will wave when I pass you sitting at the charging station on the highway. Now that said, I am not all down on the Hummer, it's cool, cruising with the top off would be awesome.., but just not for me. Actually, for as little as I use a pickup I would be smarter to buy the WT model and save some money.
So you're planning on a Silverado EV? Don't you have a diesel P/U now if I recall correctly? There's no question the Silverado is the smarter buy from a practical perspective. What would mostly make me change my mind is going to be that 400 mile range. I don't suffer from any range anxiety but 400 miles is really quite generous.
 

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I like the Silverado, but I still like the style and look of the Hummer much more. I wish we could see the Sierra and the AT4 version... I have Hummer fever and I got a reservation for the Silverado RST...BUT I would much rather have either the Trail Boss or the Sierra AT4..... and I do not think I have the patience to wait that long for those to come out. Didn't they say that you could get the "power bar" for the Hummer in the later models? Maybe I am miss-remembering... For most of our travels, we could probably deal with the Hummer's range... I am a truck guy even if I do not really do any off roading, I like the aggressive look of a truck that is slightly lifted.. For now I just patiently wait.
 

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I like the Silverado, but I still like the style and look of the Hummer much more. I wish we could see the Sierra and the AT4 version... I have Hummer fever and I got a reservation for the Silverado RST...BUT I would much rather have either the Trail Boss or the Sierra AT4..... and I do not think I have the patience to wait that long for those to come out. Didn't they say that you could get the "power bar" for the Hummer in the later models? Maybe I am miss-remembering... For most of our travels, we could probably deal with the Hummer's range... I am a truck guy even if I do not really do any off roading, I like the aggressive look of a truck that is slightly lifted.. For now I just patiently wait.
No doubt the Hummer looks cool, and has cool features, but for me its the capability that disappoints. Efficiency, towing, etc. The Silverado will have a quieter interior, bigger bed, and the ability to haul long items through the midgate. Both have strength and weakness, but I think the toned down models are more my style. I am also excited to see the GMC, I am more of a GMC guy.
 

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Now that the Silverado is announced and the Sierra is imminent. Why not the Tahoe and Yukon? Is it that much of a stretch? I guess the PU trucks are fist because the demand is there and it’s a collective segment but a cool Yukon Denali wouldn’t suck either! Damn I want them all. Lol.
 

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Now that the Silverado is announced and the Sierra is imminent. Why not the Tahoe and Yukon? Is it that much of a stretch? I guess the PU trucks are fist because the demand is there and it’s a collective segment but a cool Yukon Denali wouldn’t suck either! Damn I want them all. Lol.
Escalade EV will be first, 2024 production, which is much later than I first envisioned.
 

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Now that the Silverado is announced and the Sierra is imminent. Why not the Tahoe and Yukon? Is it that much of a stretch? I guess the PU trucks are fist because the demand is there and it’s a collective segment but a cool Yukon Denali wouldn’t suck either! Damn I want them all. Lol.
I would think the main reason the SUVs are not coming out right after the trucks is battery manufacturing capacity. GM already has their hands full building two battery factories with another two coming after that. With all the trucks and Brightdrop vans along with crossovers coming in popular segments, the demand for batteries is going to be ridiculous (of course assuming they sell as well as hoped). I think waiting for version 2 of the batteries will certainly help in this regard as they should be able to use fewer batteries per vehicle for the same amount of range. We will see…
 

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I would think the main reason the SUVs are not coming out right after the trucks is battery manufacturing capacity. GM already has their hands full building two battery factories with another two coming after that. With all the trucks and Brightdrop vans along with crossovers coming in popular segments, the demand for batteries is going to be ridiculous (of course assuming they sell as well as hoped). I think waiting for version 2 of the batteries will certainly help in this regard as they should be able to use fewer batteries per vehicle for the same amount of range. We will see…
I think you are partially correct, but on the other end GM is being careful to protect their high profit ICE segments. The T1 platform has a lot of profit to squeeze out of it before you go launching a bunch of BT1 vehicles and osborne your most profitable products. I think they want to get the Escalade refresh coming in 2023 out, and give it a year to run before the EV version comes to market. Same thing they are doing with Silverado and Sierra refresh launching soon, and then the EV version 18 months after that. It seems like Cadillac will get one EV product per year, Lyriq this year, Celestiq in 2023, and Escalade in 2024, likely a mid Sedan in 2025.
 
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