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Is Musk intimidated by the Hummer EV?

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · Jul 10, 2021

I doubt Musk is losing too much sleep worrying about the Hummer EV (he is worried about his factory projects that are late and over budget, and the development of his 4680 batteries which are so far a flop), but the article makes an interesting point, it seems Tesla is now copying features their competitors debut first, rather then competitors copying Tesla.

It Appears Elon Musk Is Intimidated by the Hummer EV

Can you blame him?

www.insidehook.com

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zer0t

· #2 · Jul 10, 2021

I don’t think he’s worried or intimidated either. At some point he knew there would be competition and a few years back implored other makers to get in the electrification game. If Tesla copies features from competitors and competitors from Tesla and each other, that’s good. It’s the competition that will bring us the best products through choice.

The only good thing about Tesla being the only choice was that someone needed to get the party started. With the mainstream makers and startups coming close to deliveries we will witness most of the focus on innovating the BEV lineup vs ICE lineup. We should enjoy this inflection point and look toward the future of outstanding choices in BEV. I for one am excited for the future of this space.

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Bboozer1

· #3 · Jul 10, 2021

The article states that "it remains to be seen if the public actually wants these new sci-fi trucks" ..... Oh... I want the HUMMER BAD... I had looked at the Cybertruck and I liked the price-point that Elon was initially shooting for, but I could not get on board with the design.... Then I saw the Hummer and I was in love at 1st sight... I have been obsessing over it since I found out about it and check this forum every day looking for new tid bits of information... My family is most likely going to be in one... I do want to wait for the EV3X and get some real world feedback, but my wife has already been thinking that we could use it for our road trip vehicle (so she could give up her Mercedes SUV and get a convertible)... I will be leaning on the advice from those here who already have EV's and figure out the best option for home charging... And I want see how the real world mileage is and whether we could make some of our longer Day Trips without having to spend a lot of extra time charging to make it home...

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 10, 2021 (Edited)

Bboozer1 said:
The article states that "it remains to be seen if the public actually wants these new sci-fi trucks" ..... Oh... I want the HUMMER BAD... I had looked at the Cybertruck and I liked the price-point that Elon was initially shooting for, but I could not get on board with the design.... Then I saw the Hummer and I was in love at 1st sight... I have been obsessing over it since I found out about it and check this forum every day looking for new tid bits of information... My family is most likely going to be in one... I do want to wait for the EV3X and get some real world feedback, but my wife has already been thinking that we could use it for our road trip vehicle (so she could give up her Mercedes SUV and get a convertible)... I will be leaning on the advice from those here who already have EV's and figure out the best option for home charging... And I want see how the real world mileage is and whether we could make some of our longer Day Trips without having to spend a lot of extra time charging to make it home...

Ya, the Cybertruck design is something... It will be funny to start seeing them around sometime in the future.

I am right there with you, cannot wait to get the Hummer Ev, and conduct some testing of my own. I envision taking it on road trips as well, so hoping for real world 300 mile range on the highway, and fast charging.

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zer0t

· #5 · Jul 11, 2021

How long before the first Hummer Chat Hummer EV jamboree?

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Bboozer1

· #6 · Jul 11, 2021

That is my concern, we often go to Clemson football games and it is close to a 300 mile round trip. And after leaving early in the morning and. Tailgating, then watching the game, the drive home gets us home after 11:00 and even later depending on the kick off time. So I really wouldn't want have to wait a long time to charge to get home... It is a long day already. I sure wouldn't want to be dealing with range anxiety at the end of that long day

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zer0t

· #7 · Jul 11, 2021

Bboozer1 said:
That is my concern, we often go to Clemson football games and it is close to a 300 mile round trip. And after leaving early in the morning and. Tailgating, then watching the game, the drive home gets us home after 11:00 and even later depending on the kick off time. So I really wouldn't want have to wait a long time to charge to get home... It is a long day already. I sure wouldn't want to be dealing with range anxiety at the end of that long day

Even 100% SOC of 350 range you’d have to charge. I don’t see how you get around it. You don’t want to go to 100% SOC often anyway.

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Tom E-Tron

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 11, 2021

Bboozer1 said:
That is my concern, we often go to Clemson football games and it is close to a 300 mile round trip. And after leaving early in the morning and. Tailgating, then watching the game, the drive home gets us home after 11:00 and even later depending on the kick off time. So I really wouldn't want have to wait a long time to charge to get home... It is a long day already. I sure wouldn't want to be dealing with range anxiety at the end of that long day

I think that will be a stretch, especially if you are driving spirited, or the weather is bad, or route is hilly. I would plan for 1 15-30 minute stop on route at Electrify America (if on route?) On your example, you can always stop and do a quick top up before you arrive at the game, then drive straight home afterwards. I do this when we go to Vancouver Canada, I top up before I cross the border, so once in Canada we can do our touring, and not have to worry about finding chargers in Canada, or foreign transaction fees. Making a quick charging stop is no biggie, and for our family we make it fun, and even discuss it, no anxiety, it's just the reality. In my experience, someone in the car always needs to stop, before the car needs to stop. The kids even talk about where the best (fastest) chargers are, and best snacks.

Remember, EV batteries do not like to get fully discharged, think of it like redlining an engine, it's OK once in a while, but should be avoided regularly for best longevity. I rarely run my EV's below 20% SOC (never below 10% unless it was an emergency), and typically plug in around 30-40%. We will have to see how GM sets up the battery on the Hummer Ev, will they have a big top and bottom buffer? In that case charging to 100% is no issue (like E-Tron), or will they be more like Tesla where when the car indicates 100% that is really 100% (spring is wound tight). I only charge my Model Y to 90% regularly as recommended by Tesla.

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Bboozer1

· #9 · Jul 12, 2021

Again... I learn so much from this forum about EV's from those of you who already have them. Also, why I want to wait for the EV3X, but I REALLY want it right now.... Especially since my last new car for me was purchased in 2004 (05 Silverado 2500 HD Duramax) but we typically do all family travel in my wife's car...

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