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I’m fully expecting an EPA rated range of 475~500-ish miles for the Lightning. We already know the advertised 350 miles of the long range battery is achieved with mixed condition and “assertive” or “spirited” driving with 1000lbs of cargo in the bed.

And I’m thinking GM is doing the same with the Hummer EV. The advertised range thus far being a conservative estimate or something we can expect when actually using these vehicles.
 

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I’m fully expecting an EPA rated range of 475~500-ish miles for the Lightning. We already know the advertised 350 miles of the long range battery is achieved with mixed condition and “assertive” or “spirited” driving with 1000lbs of cargo in the bed.

And I’m thinking GM is doing the same with the Hummer EV. The advertised range thus far being a conservative estimate or something we can expect when actually using these vehicles.
Ah, I think you are more than a little over optimistic. It's just physics, Hummer EV SUT first edition will have range right around 350 if its a 200 kWh battery pack.

I don't think GM was sandbagging on the Hummer EV, and as for F150, they might have a 175 kWh battery pack so around the same 350-375 as they are more aerodynamic is realistic muck more than that is a pipe dream, the numbers just do not add up. Ford advertised 300 miles, on the long range, not 350...
 

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Ooops, looks like I was forgetting Ford is advertising 300 miles and not 350 for the large pack.

It seems another similar pic popped up on facebook today from another reviewer. I’m trying to find it again now that I’m not on my phone. But it was showing 449 miles range and an almost full (maybe 90% charged) battery. He was told not to jump to conclusions as the software isn’t final and some of the range and battery calculations are not complete. The image in the story in this thread that shows 472 miles seems to indicate a less-full battery. So I battery calculations could just be all over the place.

That said, I do think Ford is sandbagging on the truck’s range a bit. Or that it will be fully plausible that someone can throw 600~1000lbs of crap in the bed and load up their buddies and still get that 300 miles or darn close to it without having to drive too conservatively.

As for my comment on EPA rated range. I expect those ratings to come out showing far more than the 300 miles on that large pack. Unless Ford is going to do their testing and profiling for the ratings with cargo. That’s what I was getting at in my post above. And while the onboard software isn’t ready for prime time, I think we’re catching a glimpse of that. I just hope they’re not letting some of these numbers or images slip out to give false impressions.
 

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Ooops, looks like I was forgetting Ford is advertising 300 miles and not 350 for the large pack.

It seems another similar pic popped up on facebook today from another reviewer. I’m trying to find it again now that I’m not on my phone. But it was showing 449 miles range and an almost full (maybe 90% charged) battery. He was told not to jump to conclusions as the software isn’t final and some of the range and battery calculations are not complete. The image in the story in this thread that shows 472 miles seems to indicate a less-full battery. So I battery calculations could just be all over the place.

That said, I do think Ford is sandbagging on the truck’s range a bit. Or that it will be fully plausible that someone can throw 600~1000lbs of crap in the bed and load up their buddies and still get that 300 miles or darn close to it without having to drive too conservatively.

As for my comment on EPA rated range. I expect those ratings to come out showing far more than the 300 miles on that large pack. Unless Ford is going to do their testing and profiling for the ratings with cargo. That’s what I was getting at in my post above. And while the onboard software isn’t ready for prime time, I think we’re catching a glimpse of that. I just hope they’re not letting some of these numbers or images slip out to give false impressions.
Ya, That makes sense. @Aloppen said the Hummer range is more sensitive to aerodynamic changes than it is to mass. Al said 100 lbs is about 1 mile of lost range, so 1000 miles would be + or - 10 miles of range. I am excited to see the official data, hopefully soon...
 
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