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I have pre-orders in for the Rivian R1S, Cybertruck and Hummer EV SUV. My use case in retirement living in Colorado will be: going to the ski resorts, an hours drive from my remote house into town each way, and camping in the vehicle on trails and trailheads up in the mountains. My vehicle will be charged by a large solar array at my house mainly. Really only road trips will I have to use an EV charging station.

Cybertruck was the first order.
Pros:
1. I like to off-road and having a stainless steel exterior that basically requires zero maintenance and no clear-coat to get scratched up is amazing.
2. "Armor glass" means more security from break ins while out on the trail and no yearly Colorado broken windshields.
3. I'm kinda a "prepper" type guy,; it has the most range and security for a SHTF situation.
4. Tesla is the furthest along with regard to "autopilot/FSD" setups.
5. Easiest charging on road trips with Superchargers (currently have a Model Y Performance).
6. Will likely easily have the lowest coefficient of drag and longest range (I have Tri-Motor reserved which will likely be converted into a quad-motor). Speculated 200 kWh+ battery pack.
7. In an emergency, I want to be able to have the vehicle be a home battery storage. There has to be sufficient power output via 120/240v to re-charge my home batteries if needed. The Tesla appears to have the greatest capacity for that from what I've read. Although exact specs unknown as of now.
4. 4-motor drive now should give great off-roading ability, although it will have the worst break-over.

Cons:
1. It's by far the longest, making it the worst for tight trails. Although the rear steer will help some.
2. By looking at recent drone photo's., there appears to be NO cabin-to-vault (bed) pass through. This unfortunately is basically a deal-breaker for me and my camping setup. I don't want to get a truck bed camper. I want to be able to camp with the vehicles climate control and just be able to drive away and not have to get out of the vehicle to camp.
3. May not have ventilated seats like my Y. That would suck.
4. Windshield wiper looks to be laughable, but to counter that, looks like removable side mirror may be a thing.


Rivian R1S (5-seater):
Pros:
1. Apparently the largest interior cargo volume of all three. (CT's pickup bed doesn't count for my use).
2. Decent range with Max Pack, although timing and how the R1S may be affected by the Max Pack is unknown. Apparently around 480 Wh/mi.
3. Air compressor on board for off-roading.
4. Even at a beastly 7K+ lbs, it may actually be the lightest.
5. Looks the most "traditional" and would blend in. Also sort of a con.
6. 4-motor off-roading.
7. Not locked out of my preferred color (Forest Green).

Cons:
1. Pretty exterior to easily scratch up off-roading and clean.
2. Only 120v/12 AMP plug. While that's quite low, it still may suffice to slowly charge my home batteries in an emergency.
3. No off-road/underbelly cameras. It would really be nice not to have spotters, as that duty gets old really fast.
4. No Tesla SC network (that change details still forthcoming).
5. Standard windshield looks easy to crack in Colorado.


Hummer EV3X SUV:
Pros:
1. Removable roof. Really is a great feature for nice days. Extends comping mood possibilities.
2. Off-road cameras galore.
3. Has the most interesting UI run off the Unreal Engine. Looks like something out of Battlestar Galactica. I know someone posted it looks cheesy, but IMO it's cooler than the standard boring black text on white background you get with Tesla/Rivian. I like unique things.
4. Best looking exterior. Especially in the Moonshot Green satin paint, once again I like unique things.
5. Shortest length + 4-wheel steer may make it the most nimble off-road. Although it's much wider than the others, so some of that may be negated.
6. Supposedly has a 240v outlet possibility. From GM: "Hummer EV SUV can jump charge another electric vehicle at 240v/25A/6kW and power a variety of equipment and accessories at 120v/25A/3kW.”

Cons:
1. 9K+ lbs. Like geez, really? Just to put that into perspective, that is heavier than a dually diesel full size pickup. That's just crazy inefficient weight. Worse for off-roading too. Sink in soft surfaces. I suspect GM went with the battery "modules" so that they can easily be replaced if one goes bad and they don't have to replace the whole battery pack. But that means two "layers" of battery storage, leading to crazy weight. Because of this, the battery also is noticeably thicker than Tesla's and Rivian's.
2. Range; with the 20 module pack and 176 kWh, including the off-road pack, we are talking like 270 mile range. That is just, bad. Like bad bad. Like 700 Wh/mi once you take into account battery reserve. Would be pretty terrible road trip vehicle and charging stop duration much longer and electricity cost noticeably higher.
3. No Tesla SC network (that change details still forthcoming).
4. Being restricted from the Moonshot Green satin paint because of being a regular EV3X order and not Edition 1 pisses me off. If I'm spending $110K+ on a vehicle, I want it exactly how I want it. The other plain colors don't look as good on the vehicle.
5. Pretty exterior to easily scratch up off-roading and clean.
6. Standard windshield looks easy to crack in Colorado.


Those are my basic thoughts for my needs. The Rivian is the safe bet. Out of 10, this is how I rank the likelihood of purchase:
Rivian R1S: 9
Hummer EV SUV: 6
Tesla CT: 3

Anything I've missed when it comes to off-road/camping/road trips?
 

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Rivian has not announced the range or size of the Max Pack for the R1S yet. For the standard range they claim 10-15% loss with A/T tires, so definitely less than 300 miles on the current large pack, probably closer to the 270 you estimate for the Hummer SUV. Also they only charge at 400V and reports I have seen on plugshare indicate 174 to 187kW peak charge rate, at least so far. No recorded demonstration of the charging curve yet.

CT seems to have too many open questions, so who knows what will be the end result. Personally I would not trust Tesla to deliver a reliable off-road vehicle, some of their current suspensions have issues. No idea about the size of the battery, but currently Tesla Superchargers are limited to 250kW. So not really sure yet about charging speed for a big truck with a big battery.

The Hummer SUV will have around 165kWh battery and is claimed to charge at 300kW, but we have no idea of the charging curve. Also I think the SUV will come in just under 9K lbs, since the battery is smaller.

It seems like there are still many open questions about range and charging speeds for road tripping, for all three of them. But at least for the Rivian R1T and the Hummer EV, we will likely have the 70mph range test by early next year.
 

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Cybertruck is supposed to have a 6.5ft bed and quad motors. However it also doesn’t exist yet.

R1S is supposed to come with removable roof at some point too.

9k lbs is for the truck, which is longer and has a bigger battery, so SUV may be a bit lighter but they’re both still likely to be heavyweights.
 

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Great post, @Zybane. At first, I thought you were crazy including the Cybertruck given your criteria, but these two points are really great, and for all the flack Tesla has (probably rightly) gotten for the Cybertruck rollout, the stainless steel body and security glass could be very useful for some folks.
1. I like to off-road and having a stainless steel exterior that basically requires zero maintenance and no clear-coat to get scratched up is amazing.
2. "Armor glass" means more security from break ins while out on the trail and no yearly Colorado broken windshields.
It sounds like you'll be pre-ordering a CyberSUV to replace whatever you end up choosing this round.

Are you concerned at all about needing to add solar or storage capacity at your home to keep the larger battery packs charged? I'm guessing your current setup works fine for the Model Y. I'd love to know more about how you're managing that!
 

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Great post, @Zybane. At first, I thought you were crazy including the Cybertruck given your criteria, but these two points are really great, and for all the flack Tesla has (probably rightly) gotten for the Cybertruck rollout, the stainless steel body and security glass could be very useful for some folks.

It sounds like you'll be pre-ordering a CyberSUV to replace whatever you end up choosing this round.

Are you concerned at all about needing to add solar or storage capacity at your home to keep the larger battery packs charged? I'm guessing your current setup works fine for the Model Y. I'd love to know more about how you're managing that!
CyberSUV, I like the sound of that haha. I named my German Shepherd puppy "Cyber". :LOL:

I have 8kW of solar. With the sun shining ~300 days of the year in my valley in Colorado, it's good enough to keep the vehicle topped up and still power the house. I don't do crazy energy intensive things there. It's a solar home too, so only requires a little energy to heat.

I'd love if Tesla did a SUV version of the Cybertruck. I really really love idea of the stainless body and armored glass. If I were really crazy, I'd removed the CT's rolling vault cover, remove the rear seats and cut a cabin to vault access portal. Then seal the vault for camping with some sort of custom CT truck bed cover.
 
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