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They probably have a version one pack... not version three with refinements... also it was built for strength in mind and it may be unusually built it in a way that is cheap in the long run... some items may not seem it. Also merging with my thread.Check out this channel's breakdown of the HUMMER EV Battery. These two seem to know what they are talking about and they say "inefficient", no "cost-effective", "unusual" so many times. The battery pack has a significantly high number of welds and a very interesting layout in terms of cooling. At the end of the day, no of this matters since the battery has a long warranty but I couldn't wonder but think if this product was rushed to market.
Yes that does make sense. The people in the video didn't talk about fire resistance. I remember early Tesla's catching fire so easily. I'm sure GM wanted to avoid such negative publicity, the type Elon seems to thrive on unfortunately.They probably have a version one pack... not version three with refinements... also it was built for strength in mind and it may be unusually built it in a way that is cheap in the long run... some items may not seem it. Also merging with my thread.
LOL, Tesla is always talking about the fuses in the batteries for fire resistance, then look at what happens:Yes that does make sense. The people in the video didn't talk about fire resistance. I remember early Tesla's catching fire so easily. I'm sure GM wanted to avoid such negative publicity, the type Elon seems to thrive on unfortunately.
So it IS tactical.The truth is very different:
I would love to know if GM actually tested this by shorting a set of 3 parallel cells in a complete battery housing, just to see how effective it is. I assume they did this, would be interesting to see a video of the result.With a quantum leap from their disastrous experience with the Bolt, GM has gone all-in on providing state-of-the-art best-practices for thermal runaway management within their Ultium packs. Safer NMCA chemistry. Better BMS, emergency situation glycol cooling. Cell group firewall isolation and sealing. Mica venting for each cell group. Case venting for each module. High strength steel module cases. All to turn an increasingly-unlikely TRE occurrence into an error-message and a pack replacement situation, not atotally-involved pack fire and vehicle replacement or worse.
I'd bet on it. This is a primary life-safety issue that deserves at least same level of real-life testing simulations as the various crash testing. Probably set up a separate section of their lab specifically for first testing small prototype cell/containment sub-assemblies, then expanding to full modules and packs with real-life induced TRE events during the development process. At the pack level, there are special pressure vents that also have to work, plus test that the pack cases adequately maintain their integrity under TRE conditions.I would love to know if GM actually tested this by shorting a set of 3 parallel cells in a complete battery housing, just to see how effective it is. I assume they did this, would be interesting to see a video of the result.
IIRC they do stab testing as well. Batteries are supposed to handle a puncture without having a thermal event.I would love to know if GM actually tested this by shorting a set of 3 parallel cells in a complete battery housing, just to see how effective it is. I assume they did this, would be interesting to see a video of the result.
I have done pellet gun tests with old RC batteries, but forgot to video it.IIRC they do stab testing as well. Batteries are supposed to handle a puncture without having a thermal event.
Well, for LFP cells, I've seen nail puncture demonstrations to show how inherently safe they are as compared to NCA, NMC and many other LiON cells. One common way of intentionally triggering a TRE in high-nickel cells during lab tests is to fire is sharp metallic object into the cell electrodes. There are even research papers on the "optimized" nail for triggering a TRE when testing cells. A nail puncture creates a cathode/anode dead-short, which guarantees a short-term major heat event from the ohmic heat of the dead- short amps. It is only with a more-stable cell chemistry that the anode/cathode/electrolyte's don't hit ignition point and take off when subjected to that heat event.IIRC they do stab testing as well. Batteries are supposed to handle a puncture without having a thermal event.
I know from experience that LiPOs ignite when punctured, had a screw puncture one in an RC plane, only ashes left. The pellet gun test results in the same thing, once exposed to oxygen, up it goes.Well, for LFP cells, I've seen nail puncture demonstrations to show how inherently safe they are as compared to NCA, NMC and many other LiON cells. One common way of intentionally triggering a TRE in high-nickel cells during lab tests is to fire is sharp metallic object into the cell electrodes. There are even research papers on the "optimized" nail for triggering a TRE when testing cells. A nail puncture creates a cathode/anode dead-short, which guarantees a short-term major heat event from the ohmic heat of the dead- short amps. It is only with a more-stable cell chemistry that the anode/cathode/electrolyte's don't hit ignition point and take off when subjected to that heat event.