[Tom E-Tron]

I think GM's decision to skip the Chicago Auto show with GMC, Buick, and Cadillac is interesting... Is this because with limited inventories the dealers do not want to pay for it the show, or don't have the cars to show off? I think GM should be promoting the Hummer, and Lyriq as much as possible leading up to the launches.

 

[MattF]

I think GM's decision to skip the Chicago Auto show with GMC, Buick, and Cadillac is interesting... Is this because with limited inventories the dealers do not want to pay for it the show, or don't have the cars to show off? I think GM should be promoting the Hummer, and Lyriq as much as possible leading up to the launches.

I think you are spot on for the reasons they skipped the show. I almost missed the Houston show (obviously a lot smaller show when it comes to publicity but probably not too far off on actual public attendance) because they had moved the date and practically did not advertise it! There were many manufacturers missing there as well-no GMC I believe but had Buick. I think part of it may be the desire to cut back on shows altogether from now on, go online only for reveals and save some money. What the forget though is that some people like to see and cars in person.

 

[Tom E-Tron]

I think you are spot on for the reasons they skipped the show. I almost missed the Houston show (obviously a lot smaller show when it comes to publicity but probably not too far off on actual public attendance) because they had moved the date and practically did not advertise it! There were many manufacturers missing there as well-no GMC I believe but had Buick. I think part of it may be the desire to cut back on shows altogether from now on, go online only for reveals and save some money. What the forget though is that some people like to see and cars in person.

Ya, auto shows in general might be a dying breed, but I love to go sit in all the cars (friend and foe). My dad and I used to go to Detroit, and LA shows every other year, I think it was the only trips we took together after I was an adult.

 

[zer0t]

I thought a bit about why they’d skip, then also thought take this as a chance to show off the “electrification“ of the fleet e.g. Hummer and Lyriq. Then I came to the conclusion that they don’t have to. If they had hummers and lyriqs available I think they’d sell easily in large quantity. I guess what I’m saying is why do the show if you don’t have to?

 

[Tom E-Tron]

I thought a bit about why they’d skip, then also thought take this as a chance to show off the “electrification“ of the fleet e.g. Hummer and Lyriq. Then I came to the conclusion that they don’t have to. If they had hummers and lyriqs available I think they’d sell easily in large quantity. I guess what I’m saying is why do the show if you don’t have to?

Fair points, however it never hurts to show off the new designs more, right? If the show cars are just sitting in storage, might as well have them on the road gathering attention? GM spends millions of dollars to build those hand built show cars, might as well get as much mileage out of them as possible? I think GM is holding back a little bit right now on its EV stuff, to resolve the Bolt issue, but I think they will soon announce a resolution to that, and we will be back in business on EV chatter. I am nearly certain Hummer orders will start in the next 3 weeks and deliveries in October.

 

[zer0t]

Fair points, however it never hurts to show off the new designs more, right? If the show cars are just sitting in storage, might as well have them on the road gathering attention? GM spends millions of dollars to build those hand built show cars, might as well get as much mileage out of them as possible? I think GM is holding back a little bit right now on its EV stuff, to resolve the Bolt issue, but I think they will soon announce a resolution to that, and we will be back in business on EV chatter. I am nearly certain Hummer orders will start in the next 3 weeks and deliveries in October.

I can’t disagree with what you’re saying here but maybe it’s all hands on deck assembling our new hummers? .

There‘s some wishful thinking.

 

[Tom E-Tron]

I can’t disagree with what you’re saying here but maybe it’s all hands on deck assembling our new hummers? .

There‘s some wishful thinking.

The people who haul the Hummer show trucks (or other GM display vehicles) around the country to display them do not know which end of a bolt to sit on, they are not the ones getting our trucks ready for us.... At least I hope not. haha! From the Detroit News article I took it as all is calm and peaceful around Factory Zero, it did not sound like or look like a crazy panic to get the first vehicles out from the reporters that were there. No mention of production hell or even the beginnings of that. Sounds like there are only 150 UAW hourly workers there so far, more likely lots of contractors scrambling to finish their equipment They did mention that the battery assembly building is not done yet, but the body and paint shops are in trial production, and they are starting to dial in the final assembly stations on the final line. The thing I am the most curious of is how they install the front and rear cradles, and battery pack, will the station be 100 % automated like the T1 pickups (body frame marriage), 100% manual, or a mix of manual and automation??? @Aloppen can you let us in on how that is being done?

 

[zer0t]

Yeah I was totally messing around. But if they need help I’ll volunteer.

I’d like to see when of those discovery specials on how it’s made. There was one on how BMW builds the M series cars and it was really interesting. I’d really enjoy seeing how they do these. There was one walk around where they showed the underpinnings without the body on a platform. I believe I saw it here. They also showed the durability of the CV joints through full extension Which I think is really critical.

BEV is supposedly much easier to manufacture and I hope that’s the case here. I would love to see a documentary on the entire project right through to assembly. The Hummer could be a really seminal moment in GM history. I know they have smaller electric cars but America loves their SUV(T) and pickups. Thus the huge appeal here. It’s giving us our cake and letting us eat it in a more responsible way.

 

[MattF]

Fair points, however it never hurts to show off the new designs more, right? If the show cars are just sitting in storage, might as well have them on the road gathering attention? GM spends millions of dollars to build those hand built show cars, might as well get as much mileage out of them as possible? I think GM is holding back a little bit right now on its EV stuff, to resolve the Bolt issue, but I think they will soon announce a resolution to that, and we will be back in business on EV chatter. I am nearly certain Hummer orders will start in the next 3 weeks and deliveries in October.

Let’s hope your prediction of Hummers being delivered in October. That could possibly beat the Rivian to market if they miss their latest target (September) now!

 

[Tom E-Tron]

Let’s hope your prediction of Hummers being delivered in October. That could possibly beat the Rivian to market if they miss their latest target (September) now!

6 months ago I thought Hummer EV and Cybertruck were in a race for second, but I think with Rivian's delays, Hummer has a chance to be first... Not that it matters, but it's fun to day dream.

 

[zer0t]

Honestly if GM hits their date, and as a mature manufacturer I think they will slightly improve on it, I have to give them a lot of credit. To create a such a radical change in what they’ve been doing is quite a feat for an established large company. What I’m still enthralled by is they took the symbol of excess in carbon consumption and turned it into a major green initiative.

 

[Shaved Ice]

GM has stated how innovative the design and manufacturing process of the Hummer EV is compared to previous vehicles. It makes sense they would innovate the marketing also. I hope they sunk what would have been marketing money into testing so we don’t end up with typical first year vehicle problems. All of the test vehicles (with no camouflage or cladding) seen around the country make me hopeful. That seems to be their new way of marketing, and I like it.

 

[Tom E-Tron]

GM has stated how innovative the design and manufacturing process of the Hummer EV is compared to previous vehicles. It makes sense they would innovate the marketing also. I hope they sunk what would have been marketing money into testing so we don’t end up with typical first year vehicle problems. All of the test vehicles (with no camouflage or cladding) seen around the country make me hopeful. That seems to be their new way of marketing, and I like it.

Yeah, GM is doing a lot of testing on the Hummer EV, and the reason the factory is building vehicles now, is to make sure they work the bugs out of the production system before salable models start being built. Hearing that over 100 have already been built, also gave me a good feeling. I have zero concerns about the structure, GM knows how to build truck structures, and in this case incorporating the steel structure into the body structure should just make everything much stiffer, and is really the right way to do it. Hummer EV First Edition is a low volume program, and will not be rushed through the factory with a 50 second tack time, these trucks will likely be built at a few per hour production rate, and will get a lot more hands on TLC than a typical vehicle gets on their way through the factory. I expect there will be some initial bugs, however I think they will be minor and likely in software rather than hardware. We are not going to have to wait much longer to find out...

 

[azbill]

6 months ago I thought Hummer EV and Cybertruck were in a race for second, but I think with Rivian's delays, Hummer has a chance to be first... Not that it matters, but it's fun to day dream.

I have predicted, before the latest Rivian slip, that more Hummers would be delivered this year than Rivians. FYI, I officially cancelled my Rivian preorder, that $1K now goes into my Hummer slush fund.

 

[zer0t]

Since this is a non-Hummer specific thread I thought I’d ask, has anyone caught any Lyriq’s in the wild? I like the design for a family luxury SUV.

 

[Tom E-Tron]

Honestly if GM hits their date, and as a mature manufacturer I think they will slightly improve on it, I have to give them a lot of credit. To create a such a radical change in what they’ve been doing is quite a feat for an established large company. What I’m still enthralled by is they took the symbol of excess in carbon consumption and turned it into a major green initiative.

Since this is a non-Hummer specific thread I thought I’d ask, has anyone caught any Lyriq’s in the wild? I like the design for a family luxury SUV.

I have seen several Lyriq sightings online, but nothing the last couple weeks. They are likely down in AZ now, doing their hot weather work. People do not get as excited about Lyriq, as they are wearing camouflage, most spotters have no idea what it is. I think Lyriq will take a bow in September, they are doing an outdoor event in Detroit late September, I expect that is where Lyriq will be shown off and reservations taken.

 

[Tom E-Tron]

I have predicted, before the latest Rivian slip, that more Hummers would be delivered this year than Rivians. FYI, I officially cancelled my Rivian preorder, that $1K now goes into my Hummer slush fund.

Oh wow, you cancelled the Rivian? I m not sure when Rivian will start deliveries, but they should be able to crank them out once they get their glitches fixed. Hummer is a more low volume program, I would be surprised (in a good way) to see GM deliver more than 1500 by the end of the 2021, and realistically IMO the number will be more like 500-1000 this year.

 

[MattF]

Oh wow, you cancelled the Rivian? I m not sure when Rivian will start deliveries, but they should be able to crank them out once they get their glitches fixed. Hummer is a more low volume program, I would be surprised (in a good way) to see GM deliver more than 1500 by the end of the 2021, and realistically IMO the number will be more like 500-1000 this year.

I wouldn’t doubt that production volume at all. GM will want to go slow at first to keep up quality. And they will surely be battery limited - especially with the large number needed with the 200kwh batteries!