230 mile base range and 300 mile in the upgraded model, Huge Frunk, giant vertical touch screen.... Ford is knocking the ball out of the park...My Ford fleet sales guy is saying it's already in their system, but won't talk numbers and such until tomorrow after the embargo is lifted. So he wouldn't confirm for me. I'm betting this is legit.
Some other details leaking, but I'm trying to ignore. Just going to watch the presentation and go from there.
Exactly, they are doing a fleet model, 230 miles and $40K, and an upgraded model from $53KCould very well be a low range single motor version like the Cyber Truck at that price.
I think Ford got this right too, and looking at what they did, took their already in production aluminum cab and bed (no tooling cost for those parts) and just built a new frame to put under it, where as GM went a different way, tooling an entire unibody structure, new cab, bed, everything... GM is likely spending at least $1B more in tool up cost than Ford on the BT1 project, so the question comes down to what is the production cost difference between GM's and Fords, I am thinking Ford will beat GM there too, Ford kept it simple. Then we come down to weight, Is GM's unibody structure lighter than Fords aluminum body on steel frame? Using the Hummer for reference, I don't think so. Of course the Silverado EV will be much lighter than the Hummer, but will it be 2000 lbs lighter to match the Ford, We will have to wait and see. It is said the Ford weighs 6500 lbs with the 230 mile battery, and <7000 with the long range battery. I am officially worried about GM's BT1 platform now, as GM might have chosen the wrong path to an EV truck. I think people were up all night last night in GM headquarters trying to reconcile this. GM might have to sell heavier, less efficient trucks with more range, as they have more space for batteries, but sadly, Ford has a larger cab, and bed, and for fleet customers it will all come down to efficiency (which Tesla will likely be the winner of). Its GM's move now, I am excited to hear about the Silverado EV, and hope GM's strategy is a winner, but I am skeptical.If only they made it in Raptor trim. Honestly, it appears Ford got this right. It’s priced incredibly well. I wonder how many Rivian buyers may re-think their situation and get a Ford.
for the 100 bucks refundable I reserved.
Yup the entry level F-150 Lightning starts at $39,974 before any federal or state tax credits then the XLT model starts at $52,974.Wow, I just read this online, if true, WOW, bravo Ford... I would imagine forks are stirring around in the Ren Cen to come up with a response...
The Home Run by Ford just forces GM to step up... this is great time to be the customer...I think Ford hit a home run. My only real concern is towing range. I'm hoping we get all the pricing for options soon, the maxed-out Platinum is supposed to be at $90K or about a $15K premium over the V8 F-150 platinum trimmed out to the max.
Order banks are supposed to open in September -ish. They’re trying for earlier if they can.
I’m wondering how configurable the fleet/work truck version will be? They were supposed to show it on Monday, but the announcement/ countdown page isn’t there on Ford’s site anymore? Weird. Not that I was expecting anything other than their usual lower XL trim level and the option to order without a bed.
Sorry Fellow, you are clearly down on EV's so why waste your time on an EV post, in an EV centered forum? I will not even waste my time to dispute your tired points, but will tell you, EV's are just better than ICE cars for may users, they are more fun and have less Maintenance, which works for me.NO ONE has anything right until sales are significant. Tesla has been promising 500k vehicles per year since 2014, and only came close in 2020--with lots of defect-laden vehicles and no service / reverse logistics expertise.
Only this year, Ford, GM, BMW, VW--and the 2020 (oops 2021) Olympics intended to be Toyota's coming out party--all claim 20+ EV models in the next few years. Add in the Nios, Rivians, et al. Oh really? No one is shipping anything, there is hopeful-but-sparse charging infrastructure funding, and no more lithium or cobalt mines (messy and environmentally-UNFRIENDLY) needed for battery supply chain....not to mention no circular supply chain to recycle or repurpose batteries.
Until anyone is shipping any of these products, these are all halo positioning. Follow the supply chain on EVs, not the hopes and dreams of would-be-manufacturers. The F-150 EV would be the bomb, if there was enough lithium and cobalt in the world to support the volume of the current gas-powered trucks.
Of course, it's a mostly new industry, and needs to be built out. I am a consumer though, those things are not my problem. When they find the materials and build the EV, my part is to buy it, and drive it, and then sell it to someone else who will drive it. I also do not worry myself with where the gas came from I pump in my truck, or water that came from my faucet. Some people in the world are working on all those issues, my focus is on what is the best vehicle to buy for my family, which one fills my needs, etc.@Tom E-Tron I love EVs! I have a Hummer EV3X on order. I am also a supply chain management professor studying raw materials supply for EVs. I just came back to PHX from the Mogollon Rim Road at FS 51 and 300 up North thinking about how the hummer would be awesome on these roads. I also last week was in Nevada at the lithium mine interviewing the management team for an article on lithium and cobalt supply globally. All good. Don't mean to be a debbie downer. My research is intended to enable the adoption and investment in EV and battery/circular supply chain adoption. But the reality right now is...consumers don't realize that EV is not just a consumer choice. It is a supply chain that needs intensive R&D and investment.
Guess I am one of those guys trying to make the EV supply chain a reality.Of course, it's a mostly new industry, and needs to be built out. I am a consumer though, those things are not my problem. When they find the materials and build the EV, my part is to buy it, and drive it, and then sell it to someone else who will drive it. I also do not worry myself with where the gas came from I pump in my truck, or water that came from my faucet. Some people in the world are working on all those issues, my focus is on what is the best vehicle to buy for my family, which one fills my needs, etc.
Not really though. Patents are great and important. But the raw materials and battery process is a completely different story. Cobalt, Lithium, Neodymium-Praseodymium mining. Very ugly and dirty and environmentally un-friendly--China is hoping that Congo and like Belt-and-Road locations are out of sight and out of mind enough for no one to care. The US companies will have to stand and deliver on this supply chain that is counter to the value propoisition of envirnmentally responsible EV business model. We have some work to do on this supply chain, as is the circular supply chain of recylcling an 80% of the batteris vs land fill.GM has some patents on vehicle to grid now. This should help make it competitive with other makers.
Not sure if the Ford just can help with your house or also contribute to the grid as well.