[RogueWander]

yeah that is crap but didn't you get that on the front end from them that there would be no markup

 

[RogueWander]

Yeah, I don't have an email but a dealership who I trust and have a great representation told me they would sell at MSRP.

Penske was so terrible in my neck of the woods they sold all their stealerships to local larger stand up dealers.

 

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I don't think it really matters what they mark these up by. I did some checking with some local dealer buddies and basically these trucks are made to be political pawns. They are building and only sending them to blue states which is the reason you have only seen them in Michigan and California. On top of that they are not building any of them much less making any deliveries. I will watch closely but unless something changes there is no way they make the delivery dates published on their site.

 

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Um, If this information is based on what your dealer buddies are saying, I would certainly take it with a grain of salt. The information is wildly inaccurate, and GM is going to build and sell anything they make money on. They are, and will continue to make money on these. That's how oems work.

Um, If this information is based on what your dealer buddies are saying, I would certainly take it with a grain of salt. The information is wildly inaccurate, and GM is going to build and sell anything they make money on. They are, and will continue to make money on these. That's how oems work.

From a used car dealer to a mutli million dollar franchise holder some of the largest dealerships in my state. I believe what he says of course I do realize he is a car dealer and wants what sells and can sell. He can not get a hold of EVs right including hybrids but I do believe what he says and he lives it everyday. Also Forbes just had this article come out kind of giving credibility to what he was saying.

Why GM Will Drive Its EV Business Into A Wall

Let’s be perfectly clear. Despite countless press releases and bravado, General Motors is not really in the electric vehicle business. At this stage, the Detroit, Mich.-based company is more focused on giving the impression it is an EV market leader.

www.forbes.com

of course you are all free to believe what you want.

 

[RogueWander]

^ well that isn't very ethical, looks like delaers are doing whatever they want.

 

[RogueWander]

@Tom E-Tron, I have no doubt about what you speak but Jon Markman I am sure could care less what you or I think. I agree GM has excellent potential with their Ultium platform and this is why I put a deposit down. The best battery tech is coming from BYD right now. It will be interesting to see if GM can deliver on what they promise. Right out of the gates they are NOT getting it done.

He started out as a used car dealer and now has 5 full line dealerships from Ford, Jeep, Dodge/ Chrysler, and Toyota. Plus a GMC Chevrolet dealership in Florida. Also the Ford inventory you are seeing especially for anything specialty is already pre ordered or sold. I spoke to the dealership that took my order and they found it in the system. He said they have 50 people order presold Hummers and haven't seen one. I am keeping my order in but doubt I will never see till maybe next year probably towards the end of the year.

 

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Perhaps reading comprehension is not your thing any more then the writer of that Forbes article which is nothing more than a hit piece. Show me a single Official Gm announcement on EV's or Ultium where they missed their guidance? Hummer is being produced and shipped to customers as we speak, albeit slower then you thinthk they should. But what did GM announce? When did GM promise a schedule and miss it? All Gm said on Hummer is that initial availability would be fall 2021, and they sold one in the fall 2021 meeting that guidance. Media has asked over and over how many and when, to which GM did not give additional color... I guess this way GM is not like Elon Musk who said Tesla would build 10K Model 3 a week by the end of 2018? Here is the tweet from 2017... View attachment 1896

After which Tesla let loose that the first 6 months of Model 3 production yielded only a little over 1000 units. GM is careful with their statements on production, they don't make no win statements only to miss...

Perhaps reading comprehension is not your thing any more then the writer of that Forbes article which is nothing more than a hit piece. Show me a single Official Gm announcement on EV's or Ultium where they missed their guidance? Hummer is being produced and shipped to customers as we speak, albeit slower then you thinthk they should. But what did GM announce? When did GM promise a schedule and miss it? All Gm said on Hummer is that initial availability would be fall 2021, and they sold one in the fall 2021 meeting that guidance. Media has asked over and over how many and when, to which GM did not give additional color... I guess this way GM is not like Elon Musk who said Tesla would build 10K Model 3 a week by the end of 2018? Here is the tweet from 2017... View attachment 1896

After which Tesla let loose that the first 6 months of Model 3 production yielded only a little over 1000 units. GM is careful with their statements on production, they don't make no win statements only to miss...

LOL, I read his credentials and would take his advice over @Tom E-Tron whomever that maybe on the Hummer EV forum who more than likely is one of the many flooding GMCs order banks in order to skip a quick flip and score a few measly 10s of thousands if not 100 thousand dollars on a EV Hummer.

 

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Same guy wrote this? Ford has Zero ground up EV's, Zero Battery tech, not a single yard of dirt moved on any battery infrastructure... Come on man... Ford is way behind, and their stock has been crushed since this was written...

Why Ford Could Be The Next Tesla

Every major automobile company in the world is scrambling to electrify their fleet, even Ferrari and Ford. Here is who will win.

www.forbes.com

I just read where he contributes to Ford and TheStreet wrote for the LA Times and also is a portfolio manager/ investment banker. Maybe he is an EV hater, like almost every independent Big Three dealer in this country is.

 

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My dealer loves the Hummer, posted pictures on all their social media within an hour of the first one arriving a couple weeks ago, even before they removed the shipping materials. They also own a Cadillac and Chevy store, and cannot wait for the new EV's it's easy money they say, no other products they sell are people happy to pay MSRP for the car where the dealer makes a handsome profit on every one.

Yes, all dealers love vehicles they can sell and right now pretty much all new vehicles are bringing MSRP. Dealers that were not high volume dealers love it, dealers that sold 1000s of units a month hate it even though they sell cars at MSRP. I am sure it messes with their volume bonuses. in case you did not know some dealers before the craziness changes were making 80-120k a month on manufacturer sales bonuses based on volume on top of all other profits. Don't think they are making that now considering they are probably selling around 10-20 percent of the vehicles they were before.

 

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Tennessee here, you know, one of the red-est states in the Union. I am an Edition 1 reservation holder but scheduled for a Fall delivery. My sales manager, as promised, just notified me today that his dealership just got their first Hummer EV, and scheduled a time for me to come check it out.

I will let him know that he must be mistaken based on your post. I’ll let you know if he is mistaken about the truck that was delivered or if GMC messed up by sending it here.🤣

Wasn't me who said that it was my dealer friend, and yes I didn't say I believed it but this was just what was said. I have met millionaires and billionaires and you would think these people would be brilliant. Don't know what it takes to get there but I mainly think it is timing and luck more than it is smarts.

 

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Happy to see some of these dealers getting called out by the media. Hopefully they’ll learn quick that their customers will start transferring their orders elsewhere if they keep trying to play that game. Hopefully some of them decide to make it right after seeing their names in the articles.

Yeah, I don't think they really care where their names show up as long as they sell what they can.

 

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There was actually a third possibility I hadn't thought of but turns out to be true,

The original person complaining about it bought it and listed it for sale on this very site after deleting their posts

Maybe but that is a stupid gamble, If was to buy this for 177k then I would have immediately put it into an auction so I am not sitting on it. Even with fees your still making 80-100k off the transaction. Looking for a super rich person come along to pay this for a GMC isn't probably realistic even if it is a rare ultra hard to find vehicle. People who can afford a 350-400k vehicle are putting that money towards a Ferrari or Mclaren and could care less about the cost of gas.